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[dave123]

hi there, recently I have switch my 2ft tank to 3ft (FOWLR) as a result there is a major ICH & parasite outbreak and 11 of my fishes are dead(couple of nemos, tanks, bufferfly...& others) and only 1 nemo is surviving . As I do not have a suitable quarantine tank I add the ICH medication to my main 3ft tank as a last option, 2days back I notice the PH has reached >8.8, not sure if this resulted in the major ICH & parasite outbreak and kill my fish. All my fishes die due to some infections, ICH or some viruses.


Yesterday I have try to add a buffer that should stabilise the PH at 8.3 but it still remains >8.6. As the current PH is >8.6 I believe it is no use I add somemore marine buffer right ?

My questions are,
1. Does the ICH medication increase the PH ? If yes can I just keep it at that level until 2 months later. If not how long ? The reason for keeping for 2 months is to kill all the ICH & other parasites.

2. If not what should I do next to lower my PH. Do not wish my last nemo also die ?


Thanks for your advice & help

roti444

[Doyle]

Are the fishes feeding at the time you 1st bought them?

[dave123]

Are the fishes feeding at the time you 1st bought them?

Hi Doyle, when I transfer them from the 2ft to 3ft tank, the fishes always seems very hungry. What I did is I add water to the 3ft tank, add in salt, marine buffer PH8.3, aerated the water plus protein skimmer and allow it to stabilize for a day then transfer the live rock, corals sand and fishes over. After 2 weeks in the 3ft tank the fishes started to get infected with ICH, parasites and slowly one after another die. , I remember there are some fishes affected ICH in the 2ft tank.

Hence with my only nemo left, on Tuesday 28 Aug I started pouring the anti ICH medication to the 3ft tank.
Before i added the medication the nemo are not feeding well but now it starts eating but seems restless.

[j'field]

Hi Doyle, when I transfer them from the 2ft to 3ft tank, the fishes always seems very hungry. What I did is I add water to the 3ft tank, add in salt, marine buffer PH8.3, aerated the water plus protein skimmer and allow it to stabilize for a day then transfer the live rock, corals sand and fishes over. After 2 weeks in the 3ft tank the fishes started to get infected with ICH, parasites and slowly one after another die. , I remember there are some fishes affected ICH in the 2ft tank.

Hence with my only nemo left, on Tuesday 28 Aug I started pouring the anti ICH medication to the 3ft tank.
Before i added the medication the nemo are not feeding well but now it starts eating but seems restless.

Hi Bro Dave, did you transfer the fish and corals just after 1 day of adding salt and water?

Cos if tat's the case, is way too fast i think. It will cause yuor fish to be stress. As your water/tank is not stablise yet IMO at least must run your water for a month maybe with some LR before adding any LS.

Edited by j'field, 02 August 2007 - 11:58 AM.

[Doyle]

I think it is still the case of a uncycled tank.

[dave123]

Hi Bro Dave, did you transfer the fish and corals just after 1 day of adding salt and water?

Cos if tat's the case, is way too fast i think. It will cause yuor fish to be stress. As your water/tank is not stablise yet IMO at least must run your water for a month maybe with some LR before adding any LS.

Hi J'field, oops I really did transfer everything from the 2ft tank to the 3ft tank within 1 day. But the 2ft tank had been setup for about 1~1.5month with liverock. I find that freshwater aquarium and marine is totally different. Does the ICH medication result in in PH increase ? And now for the PH >8.6 what do I do ? Do I just leave it alone.

Thanks

[dave123]

I think it is still the case of a uncycled tank.

Hi Doyle, I measure the ammonium is about 0.05, nitrite is higher about 0.1ppm, temperature about 27.5 to 28 degrees. As for nitrate I did not measure as the nitrite level tell me the tank is not fully cycle yet and also I turn on the lights 4 hours a day but did not see any algae. But for the PH >8.6 do I leave it alone ? When the tank is recycle does the system actually readjust the PH? Or do I have to do something ?

For freshwater tank I know the PH will decline over time, how about for FOWLR does the PH decline or increase over time ?

Thanks

[j'field]

Hi J'field, oops I really did transfer everything from the 2ft tank to the 3ft tank within 1 day. But the 2ft tank had been setup for about 1~1.5month with liverock. I find that freshwater aquarium and marine is totally different. Does the ICH medication result in in PH increase ? And now for the PH >8.6 what do I do ? Do I just leave it alone.

Thanks

Oops, So sorry, cos i'm oso not quite sure for tat . Cos i never use any medication till now before. But i would suggest tat is better to have a quaritine tank and do your affected fish with medication in tat tank. As for the PH, Maybe just by doing WC regularly would help.
But for now, i would suggest tat dun add anymore LS till your tank is stablise.

Juz IMO

Edited by j'field, 02 August 2007 - 02:39 PM.

[fishrock]

when all ting failed......... WC wil nvr fail!!!!!
do a 50% WC.

[dave123]

when all ting failed......... WC wil nvr fail!!!!!
do a 50% WC.

yes agreed water changes still is one of the best solution. I intend to do it soon. Will have to buy marine salt liao.

[mimo]

yes agreed water changes still is one of the best solution. I intend to do it soon. Will have to buy marine salt liao.

did you check your sg? what kind of instrument are u using to test your sg?
the fastest way is to buy salt water mix from the LFS, try not to
use seawater for now as you wouldn't know what other parasites
it contain... goodluck

are you using a ph probe? or are you using a test kit, has it expired?
what brand? what is your KH?

[dongdong]

to drop PH, do a fesh water + salt water change, cos freshly made salt water without buffer will have a lower PH level as local water tends to be in the range of PH7.3-7.8.
you might want to check your KH as a good reading (9-12) will stabalise PH; and please verify that your PH test kit is not expired, to have 8.8PH water is a little difficult, though not impossible..

Please do more reading before indulging in this hobby to aviod such senerios.
Anyway, your first tank of 2' is only 1-1.5months and you have 10 fishes?
your parameters are also bad,, ammonia and nitrite is bad, the fishes are more lightly killed by them than the ich thingy..

my 2 cents..

[fishrock]

did you check your sg? what kind of instrument are u using to test your sg?
the fastest way is to buy salt water mix from the LFS, try not to
use seawater for now as you wouldn't know what other parasites
it contain... goodluck

are you using a ph probe? or are you using a test kit, has it expired?
what brand? what is your KH?

to drop PH, do a fesh water + salt water change, cos freshly made salt water without buffer will have a lower PH level as local water tends to be in the range of PH7.3-7.8.
you might want to check your KH as a good reading (9-12) will stabalise PH; and please verify that your PH test kit is not expired, to have 8.8PH water is a little difficult, though not impossible..

Please do more reading before indulging in this hobby to aviod such senerios.
Anyway, your first tank of 2' is only 1-1.5months and you have 10 fishes?
your parameters are also bad,, ammonia and nitrite is bad, the fishes are more lightly killed by them than the ich thingy..

my 2 cents..

wow........our legend of the condor couple both come out together to solve reefer problem............

[dave123]

did you check your sg? what kind of instrument are u using to test your sg?
the fastest way is to buy salt water mix from the LFS, try not to
use seawater for now as you wouldn't know what other parasites
it contain... goodluck

are you using a ph probe? or are you using a test kit, has it expired?
what brand? what is your KH?

Hi mino, yes I did not check before, I using those very convectional and manual one to measure the salinity not sure what I should called it. Its like a probe that float on the water with reading on it. It has a thermometer that tells the temperature too. Its on the green zone or aka safe level.

Hmm for PH.. I using a test kit. Need to go back and check its name. Actually I check on 2 test kit both show it reach > 8.6. Does KH affect PH ?

Thanks

[dave123]

to drop PH, do a fesh water + salt water change, cos freshly made salt water without buffer will have a lower PH level as local water tends to be in the range of PH7.3-7.8.
you might want to check your KH as a good reading (9-12) will stabalise PH; and please verify that your PH test kit is not expired, to have 8.8PH water is a little difficult, though not impossible..

Please do more reading before indulging in this hobby to aviod such senerios.
Anyway, your first tank of 2' is only 1-1.5months and you have 10 fishes?
your parameters are also bad,, ammonia and nitrite is bad, the fishes are more lightly killed by them than the ich thingy..

my 2 cents..

Thanks Dong dong for your advise will take note.